So, why have Buy Research Chemicals UK not stocked 5-IAI thus far? Well we've had this product listed as coming soon on our website since the end of April, way before most vendors had even heard of it and started to jump on the bandwagon.
In that time we've been sent and indeed encountered various samples of supposed "5-IAI" but none of them checked out, and certainly none of them were offered with any form of analysis, not even a proton NMR spectrograph. Since any genuine lab would as a matter of absolute routine perform an NMR analysis of their final product (as well as the intermediates), particularly a novel one that they'd never produced before to actually check that all had gone well with their decided synthesis route, then the absence of such analysis speaks volumes about the likelyhood of said samples being 5-IAI. Quite simply they weren't.
As such, it is our opinion that there isn't any genuine 5-IAI on the market right now. That's not a direct slight against any particular supplier who may be offering it at the moment, most are unwittingley duped by their wholesale suppliers. But since none of them to my knowledge have published even a basic analysis of their product then I wouldn't blame researchers for being sceptical as we are.
Well now we have been provided with a 5-IAI sample from a supplier, backed up with a proton NMR spectrograph. The spectrograph image is published below (forgive the unsightly watermarks, its sadly neccessary, also a higher resolution jpeg image can be provided upon email request) and is accompanied by the comments from an independent scientist (i.e. independent as in not on the payroll) who kindly took a look at it for us. Just a respectful reminder, please note that this blog post including the quoted scientific commentary is the copyright of Buy Research Chemicals UK, as is the NMR spectrograph which we've published with the permisson of our supplier. No reproduction or modification in any media is allowed without explicit prior written permission from us. If any reputable vendor wishes to know the source of this genuine 5-IAI then feel free to drop us an email and we'll point you in the right direction.
"The 5-IAI: quite an old NMR machine (100MHz?) - nevertheless it looks good to me, and reasonably pure. The large peak stems from the solvent change, they used MeOD, the water peak comes at ~4.9, probably together with the ammonium protons, assuming its hydrochloride, the about same shift but unequal pattern of the 2 CH2 proves the asymmetric nature of 5-IAI (contrary to the symmetric MDAI!), the CH is also there though not split as sharply because of the NH3+ neighbour (and probably because it's not a 300MHz machine); The aromats fit as well, two doublets (the H's on carbons 2 and 3) plus a singlet of the "lonely" H on C6- proves the right substitution. Of course one can't tell if the substitute is really Iodine from just this! And I'm only assuming the counterion to the NH3 is Chloride. Theoretically one could deduct the substituent with NMR tables but I'm unsure if they even exist for indans..."
So there we have it folks - on the basis of that positive analysis we're confident that at last real 5-IAI has been produced and it should be in stock around the 6th September! Keep an eye on my blog over the coming days for details of how to reserve one of 20 x 500mg samples that we will be giving to researchers for free. As with the free AMT samples there will be a question to answer and it will be a bit more challenging this time!
In the meantime, I can't say 100% that no-one else has genuine 5-IAI yet (and of course our supplier will be dealing with other vendors too, although my understanding is that we are the first to order), but I really hope that this starts a trend of suppliers publishing proper analysis' of their products. If they can't back up their claims for these new compounds, then please be wary.
5-IAI - at last the real compound has been produced!
Tuesday, 24 August 2010 11:17:55 Europe/London
Posted in MDAI, 5-IAI News
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Julian
Steve
posted on Thursday, 26 August 2010 10:29:51 Europe/LondonSuperb post with excellent information Julian and well done on sourcing some genuine (finally) 5-IAI I for one have been waiting on this for some time and I like others have been duped by other outfits claiming to sell 5-IAI and what I received has been the same as your MDAI. I hope once this is being sold it will put an end to people being lied to and cheated of their money.
I'd just like to ask (if you know) why this has taken so long to produce properly when it's been know to the community for so long? Has it been in development for a long time, or is it a similar case to 6-APB being hard to produce in larger quantities?
Great job Julian, keep it up!
Julian
posted on Thursday, 26 August 2010 12:09:02 Europe/LondonHi Steve, its harder to produce than some of the previous compounds that are no longer legally available, and therefore the R&D is expensive and time consuming. I hear some retail vendors grumbling about paying ~£3000 for a kg of "5-IAI", little realising that price is actually unrealistically cheap at this early stage of the product's lifecycle, and they're really buying random junk. The genuine product is far more expensive at the moment, although like other previous compounds the wholesale and retail price will come down over time as larger amounts are produced. If you see "5-IAI" on sale for £13-15/g (I did just this morning!), please be wary, its just so unlikely to be the real thing.
Ben
posted on Friday, 27 August 2010 17:57:04 Europe/LondonI can confirm I have already researched batches from this supplier and this 5-iai is the real deal, can't wait till you've got stock in!
Julian
posted on Tuesday, 31 August 2010 08:27:36 Europe/LondonOn the subject of product analysis, I've seen some sites using an Infrared Spectrograph, rather than an NMR to back up their 6-APB. This is basically useless in positively identiying compounds like 6-APB unless you have a known 6-APB reference sample (and in anycase there is no reference spectrograph overlayed on the image they provide). So I'm not sure why their testing lab would have deployed this method - it has no value really by itself.
Julian
posted on Saturday, 4 September 2010 13:31:22 Europe/LondonStock has arrived and despatches will start on Monday! The 20 free samples will be despatched to the successful reservees on Monday, with tracking numbers emailed out.
joe
posted on Monday, 6 September 2010 06:36:02 Europe/LondonLooking forward to conducting my own experiments!
What is a decent sample size for first analysis?
Julian
posted on Monday, 6 September 2010 08:25:49 Europe/LondonHi Joe, everyone's research goals are different so best advise is to use a small sample to start with, depending on the experiment. However we are hearing that some scientists found interesting results using 400mg in a solubility test in water at room temperature.
Joe
posted on Tuesday, 7 September 2010 06:59:04 Europe/LondonThanks Julian. I have seen that number elsewhere too.
Innitial papers were suggesting that 80-140mg would produce a sufficient reaction, enough to gather a decent report anyway. Does the chemical possess similar properties to those first suggested?
Julian
posted on Tuesday, 7 September 2010 07:54:16 Europe/LondonHi Joe, in lab experiments that we ran, we found it offered for us an area of research definitely more interesting than it's cousin, MDAI, but perhaps not quite as exciting as some scientists were hoping for. Still its an interesting compound in its own right IMO, and merits further research.
TeteDycle
posted on Tuesday, 19 July 2011 10:12:52 Europe/LondonMany thanks.
Julian
posted on Wednesday, 25 August 2010 22:33:30 Europe/London